Gold Rejuvenation Proposal

[Murasaki]

Given that the Lune Arc will soon arrive, bringing with it a new and untouched economy, we've tried several approaches toward revaluing gold as a currency. Our goal is not only to reduce the amount of gold in circulation, but also to value it at a level where low and high level characters can enjoy reasonable prices. This adjustment means that many people will likely have gold amounts much lower than they are normally used to. In a sense, this is good as it takes less gold to meet your demands and there will not be a huge gap in catching up for lower-level characters.

Here is a proposal currently circulating in the staff and it currently has good levels of approval. As it stands, it may be implemented quite soon. I'd like to ask for your comments and concerns which can be used to solidify this plan further. There have been some ideas on encouraging spending including: a wider range of lower-level generic items purchaseable from the shop plug-in which does not need to be directly added to the inventory (greatly reducing Market Center transaction times), city-improvement Kickstarters, more skill skins and special limited-edition items to be buyable, and an improved personal/guild housing system.

I would also like to hear ideas on what else we should add to encourage people to spend their gold.

These updates are subject to revision; the prices of crafts/purchases occurring right now will stay the same until this plan is enacted and an enactment date will be announced. Please refrain from doing unreasonable things to abuse the concept like crafting 9000 Healing Potions, though.

Gold Rejuvenation Patch:
- Adjust gold values. All existing gold will be removed in place of new calculated values.
- To roughly compensate for crafting and fees, characters will receive a small stimulus based on how high their crafting was leveled.
- Existing items/crafts/purchases/housing is unaffected. You will keep whatever you already have.
- The bank will be disabled.
- Adjust crafting/market prices.
- Economy will stabilize in time as long as we have reasonable goldsinks and prices.

The formula is 50 x (total post count) x (1 + 0.01 x (collective crafting level)).

Post Counts / Gold as of 4:30 PM PST, 3/2/15 calculation:

Caerbannog: <to be calculated should she returns>
Saber*: 357 x 50 x 2.74 = 48909
Kumori: 331 x 50 x 1.41 = 23335
Saskia: 279 x 50 x 1.01 = 14090
Capsule: 266 x 50 x 1.62 = 21546
Hirosame: 261 x 50 x 1.31 = 17095
Kittygrey*: 247 x 50 x 1.38 = 17043
Oxford: 232 x 50 x 1.15 = 13340
Tobin: 229 x 50 x 1.41 = 16144
Steel: 204 x 50 x 1.22 = 12444
Icyferno: 202 x 50 x 1.45 = 14645
Lavinia: 188 x 50 x 1.34 = 12596
Scoria: 187 x 50 x 1.38 = 12903
Bunji: 186 x 50 x 1.11 = 10323
Nisha: 185 x 50 x 1.24 = 11470
Elkeid: 170 x 50 x 1.34 = 11390
Zyrune: 161 x 50 x 1.32 = 10626
Lukavminaev: 160 x 50 x 1.40 = 11200
Bailin: 150 x 50 x 1.14 = 8550
Hanelli: 137 x 50 x 1.41 = 9659
Shuwen*: 122 x 50 x 1.34 = 8174
Tessia: 121 x 50 x 1.15 = 6957
Mab: 120 x 50 x 1.11 = 6660
Eniko: 112 x 50 x 1.01 = 5656
Adler: 105 x 50 x 1.21 = 6253
Haneroze: 103 x 50 x 1.08 = 5562
Reynard: 94 x 50 x 1.01 = 4747
Stryke: 93 x 50 x 1.16 = 5394
Dumah Iino: 92 x 50 x 1.03 = 4738
Jacoben: 90 x 50 x 1.14 = 5130 + 100 = 5230
Nala: 87 x 50 x 1.10 = 4785
Metroexibit: 83 x 50 x 1.01 = 4192
Klide: 82 x 50 x 1.01 = 4141
Verin: 82 x 50 x 1.06 = 4346
Aeon: 80 x 50 x 1.17 = 4680
Bast: 79 x 50 x 1.03 = 4069
Midori: 76 x 50 x 1.14 = 4332
Valerie: 75 x 50 x 1.01 = 3788
Tyonis: 72 x 50 x 1.20 = 4320
Endrin: 72 x 50 x 1.12 = 4032
Pwyll: 71 x 50 x 1.22 = 4331
Ryker: 69 x 50 x 1.01 = 3485
Darko Lipowitz*: 68 x 50 x 1.02 = 3468
Renai: 67 x 50 x 1.27 = 4255
Okami: 66 x 50 x 1.11 = 3663
Avalon**: 66 x 50 x 1.04 = 3432 + 3900 = 7332
Balore: 64 x 50 x 1.01 = 3232
Vixi: 62 x 50 x 1.07 = 3317
Artemisia: 60 x 50 x 1.03 = 3090
Weegee: 60 x 50 x 1.22 = 3660
Jojo Kaguya: 56 x 50 x 1.10 = 3080
Mellow: 54 x 50 x 1.01 = 2727
Mokusu: 54 x 50 x 1.15 = 3105
Ragnarok: 53 x 50 x 1.16 = 3074
Charuen: 52 x 50 x 1.03 = 2678
Indy: 52 x 50 x 1.05 = 2730
Blue: 52 x 50 x 1.11 = 2886
Myrddin: 50 x 50 x 1.01 = 2525
Emmerich: 50 x 50 x 1.01 = 2525
Shiranui: 49 x 50 x 1.05 = 2573
Vayne: 48 x 50 x 1.10 = 2640
Eadon: 45 x 50 x 1.24 = 2790
Piper: 44 x 50 x 1.02 = 2244
Rook: 42 x 50 x 1.01 = 2121
Eonis: 42 x 50 x 1.01 = 2121
Narihama: 41 x 50 x 1.01 = 2071
Eglantyne: 40 x 50 x 1.01 = 2020
Spades*: 39 x 50 x 1.02 = 1989
Elfriede: 39 x 50 x 1.01 = 1970
Widow: 38 x 50 x 1.01 = 1919
Awatsuki: 38 x 50 x 1.05 = 1995
Tsukuyomi: 38 x 50 x 1.01 = 1919
Hyoka: 38 x 50 x 1.01 = 1919
Shepard Dagon: 38 x 50 x 1.01 = 1919
Shaz: <N/A>
Xhy Lynn: 38 x 50 x 1.01 = 1919
Blackcoat: 38 x 50 x 1.17 = 2223
Luiniel: 37 x 50 x 1.01 = 1869
Ashtver: 36 x 50 x 1.06 = 1908
Neon: 35 x 50 x 1.15 = 2013
Sorano: 35 x 50 x 1.03 = 1803
Mitsuru Kirishima: 34 x 50 x 1.14 = 1938
Sophia: 34 x 50 x 1.01 = 1717
Tehm: 34 x 50 x 1.09 = 1853
Ryuuketsu: 33 x 50 x 1.01 = 1667
Pen Ddraig: 33 x 50 x 1.01 = 1667
Hadrian: 33 x 50 x 1.01 = 1667
Parasole: 32 x 50 x 1.06 = 1696
Nursery Rhyme: 32 x 50 x 1.04 = 1664
Mechsoul*: 31 x 50 x 1.01 = 1566
Kazuko: 30 x 50 x 1.01 = 1515
Burai: 30 x 50 x 1.01 = 1515
Hawk: 29 x 50 x 1.01 = 1465
Saproth: 29 x 50 x 1.01 = 1465
Chain: 29 x 50 x 1.01 = 1465
Wermut: 29 x 50 x 1.01 = 1465
Jane: 29 x 50 x 1.01 = 1465
Lunar: 28 x 50 x 1.05 = 1414
Zria: 28 x 50 x 1.13 = 1582
Trill: 28 x 50 x 1.09 = 1526
Besavel: 28 x 50 x 1.04 = 1456
Valentine: 27 x 50 x 1.01 = 1364
U.V.: 27 x 50 x 1.01 = 1364
Sotarou: 26 x 50 x 1.01 = 1313
Faded*: 26 x 50 x 1.01 = 1313
Raef Blackwood: 24 x 50 x 1.01 = 1212
Agata: 24 x 50 x 1.01 = 1212
Oddytiudnir: 24 x 50 x 1.02 = 1224
Arrasi: 24 x 50 x 1.01 = 1212
RuetheDay: 24 x 50 x 1.04 = 1248
Kris: 24 x 50 x 1.07 = 1284
Polack: <N/A>
Franny Stein: 23 x 50 x 1.01 = 1162
Cymakara: 23 x 50 x 1.07 = 1231
Crimson Blood: 23 x 50 x 1.01 = 1162
Apollo: 22 x 50 x 1.01 = 1111
Dordur: 22 x 50 x 1.03 = 1133
Saeko: 22 x 50 x 1.01 = 1111
Ria: 22 x 50 x 1.01 = 1111
Masami: 22 x 50 x 1.09 = 1199
Scharden Freuden: 21 x 50 x 1.01 = 1061
Solar: 21 x 50 x 1.05 = 1103
Nyumo: 20 x 50 x 1.01 =1010
Magma Hirimito: 20 x 50 x 1.01 =1010
Zantetsuken: 20 x 50 x 1.01 = 1010
Lax: 20 x 50 x 1.05 = 1050
Osiris: 20 x 50 x 1.01 = 1010
Pandemonium: 20 x 50 x 1.05 = 1050
Arkice: 19 x 50 x 1.09 = 1035.5

Approved characters with at least 1 RP post and are not on this list will receive a flat rate of 1000 Gold.

Jace: 1000 + 200 = 1200


* Adjusted for AP claims in-progress.

** Adjusted for advertisements as of 2/28/15:
- 39 Avalon = +3900 Gold
- 2 Jace = +200 Gold
- 1 Jacoben = +100 Gold

*** For anyone who switched crafting subclasses and thus have multiple crafting subclasses, your gold calculation will likely not be completely accurate with the listed Collective Crafting Level. Please reply to this thread to have it updated.

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Adjusted Crafting Prices:
- Materials are no longer required in a recipe. This avoids odd situations such as crafting a 100-page notebook even though you technically only used 5 Old Paper.
- Material Fee will now be displayed in each recipe.
- New Formula: 5 x (item level) x (difficulty).
- Reforge prices to be adjusted, although the current setup will be kept.
- Some crafting recipes vary in difficulty as the item level goes up, to reflect how better items require better materials and higher quality crafting. Current idea = +1 Difficulty every 30 levels.
- Possible discounts in Material Fees if an item is thread-crafted rather than speed-crafted. Crafting subclass skills should be checked to see whether this concept would work well.

Difficulty = The perceived complexity of the craft, equating to an increased amount of materials needed to craft it.
- 1 Difficulty: Intuitive and/or uncomplicated enough that relatively few or easy-to-obtain materials will be needed to craft the item.
- 2 Difficulty: A relatively simple crafting process that may require either more materials or a more delicate method.
- 3 Difficulty: A more complex formula, either through the amount of materials required, the volatility of the materials needed, or the method required to make the item.

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Adjusted Housing Prices:
- Lv1 Housing = 1000 Gold
- Lv2 Housing = +1000 Gold (2000 Gold total)
- Lv3 Housing = +2000 Gold (4000 Gold total)
- Lv4 Housing = +4000 Gold (8000 Gold total)
- Lv5 Housing = +8000 Gold (16000 Gold total)
- Guild Special Housing = 10000 Gold

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Adjusted Market Prices:
- Windsor Antiqua Lv5: 50 Gold
- Londinium Steel Lv10: 100 Gold
- Sarum Progressive Lv20: 150 Gold
- Stratford Arms Lv30: 200 Gold

- Skill Change Scrolls: 50 Gold
- Subclass Change Scrolls: 100 Gold
- Class Change Scrolls: 250 Gold

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Slot Machine:
- Rewards to be adjusted accordingly.

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Guilds:
- 2-Guild Alliance: 500 Gold (bought by both founding guilds)
- Add a guild to alliance: +500 Gold (bought by all guilds in alliance)

Guild NPC Rental: Guild member NPCs can be rented, allowing you to bring a personalized NPC into a thread like a dungeon raid in the occasion that you don't have enough members for it. Stronger NPCs will need higher wages.

Guild Territories: Something based on a concept from my previous RP. Will need more time to explain, but you essentially lay claim to not a building, but a plot of land in the environment. Land claims can be disputed if a certain piece of land is desirable. Unlike my previous RP, we're not using a battle system so this may need some fleshing out as a concept to determine how disputes work.

Renting Fees: Recordkeeping will probably be done by players and posted up by the end of a month or season whenever payment is due. A mod will check the claims at the beginning of the next payment cycle. If someone does not pay in time, they get that asset temporarily locked until it is paid. Personal/guild housing can still be posted in but they reap no extra bonuses. Possible additional late fee of maybe 10% to process.

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Commerce Threads: Thread types that give 0.5-0.75x AP but give a gold payout proportional to the total word count. Still deciding on a right amount, right now it's a rough estimate of 1 gold every 2-5 words. Might find its niche especially when you're fundraising for something big.

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New Zone Bonuses: Bonus AP/gold rewards given to threads started in new subforums from here on. Might encourage people to venture out of Londinium and encourage them to try new things.

[Maelstrom]

Some basic ideas that I think we could maybe use as gold sinks are as follows:

• Marketplace/Crafting Fees
• Monthly fees for personal homes/guild houses
• Repair Fees (Hard to implement)

I think the top two are easy to implement but won't really effect the general rate of inflation that much. Same goes for the third, since you would have to implement a system of auto-repairs on a per post or per thread basis during AP claims.


Generally speaking, one of the best forms of money sinks that exist in games are higher-end items. For this perhaps we could implement the sale of unique potions from the shop that cost a lot of gold but have strong effects?

Examples:

• Scaled potion: Makes the user slightly more resistant to physical damage for a short time (3 posts). Unfortunately the scales seem to react violently when hit with magic so any non-physical attack deals slightly more damage.

I'm sure that these are the most basic of solutions, yet the simplicity of them makes them useful in my opinion. Any time inflation seems to be getting out of hand a new item could be released that every person who fights in large scale battles or raid would want. (For the record, a lot of the ideas I am using comes from a video I am quite fond of and highly recommend: Click here to watch it.)

These are all quick thoughts though so I will probably come back and edit this post as time goes on.

[Deleted]

I've seen that video before as well and it brings up a lot of good points, it's worth a watch.

If it could be implemented, I also like the idea of upkeep costs on homes and guild houses, especially guild houses. I think I mentioned something like that once before to someone, I forget who and when though.

All in all though, I'm fine with the bank being taken away and the gold being reset and scaled appropriately.

[inx]

A way to reduce currency in circulation could be used for expedited services.

If AP / Crafting claims were given a standard time frame then an expedited time frame could be charged for as a premium. While this idea would put some more strain on staff (may need to get more staff) and is a bit on the gamey side, an OOC expense that could be explained IC by a number of things.

I don't believe that people would make too much of a fuss over additional costs as long as it:

SPOILER: Click to show

The current wait time seems to be roughly 1 week.
If that was nailed down to like 6-8 days then the expedited could be roughly 3-4 days.
Pricing based on level and number of expedited items within the last two weeks could be used to regulate it so that the newer players aren't over charged horribly and the wealthier players don't flood the claims section with needs of quick work.

Something like
5 X Gold per Average level (Class, Crafting, RP) x Sliding Scale
Items posted in speedy Q in the past 14 days 1= 1.1 cost, 2 = 1.2 cost, 3 = 1.3 and so on

So someone with an average level of 10 who puts up two requests in the same day for expedited services would pay
50 gold for the first claim and then 55 gold for the second claim.
If someone with an average level of 50 put up 2 speedy requests up 10 days ago and now wants to put up a new one
300 gold would be their price. (250 base price from level and then its multiplied by 1.2 for having 2 other speed requests up as of recent)

I also believe an upkeep "tax" on player housing and guild housing wouldn't be terribly unreasonable... As housing seems to be a luxury and charging a small fee would demand players are at least posting to some degree. Sorta helping to keep activity up and eat a little gold.

After seeing crafting materials come and go, then the idea of special item shops come. There is the possibility of having special shops/NPCs out in the "new areas" that sell "crafting materials" that will allow speed crafting without first traditional crafting an item a single time. These hidden shops could perhaps be PM'd to people who make topics that are exploring the area with a tag (Shopping Search) and are graded to be a pass.

[Haneroze]

Currently, with the calculation of the new sum of gold, I see two flaws:

-It takes all posts for the calculation. I know that quite a few of my 103 posts are from Off-RP sections. In fact, from a search of my posts by category, approximately half of my posts are not RP posts. In that sense, people who posted a lot outside of RP sections like me would get advantaged.

-It does not take into consideration transactions the player has already made. While we could easily ignore small ones like the craft of a potion, big transactions like the purchase of a home should ideally be taken into the calculation.

[Murasaki]

Actually, I do believe that posts in the off-topic sections generally do not count for the post count. There was a small period in which they did count however, but I feel as though it's inconsequential enough that we can award it. So you will receive credit as though all of your posts made thus far were RP posts.

Housing purchases made prior will also be subject to rental taxes as proposed by some of the others, making it a little more manageable that way.

[Shuwen]

I'm of two minds regarding charging upkeep for personal housing. Charging that for guilds makes more sense, as it would encourage them to remain active as a group, but doing so for individual player's housing seems a bit harsh to me, especially since people are inevitably going to be come more or less active as time goes on. I also suspect that processing those every month would be a pain. Personally, I'd rather just have to pay a larger down payment and be done with it.

[Rook]

In a way any player activity on the board is healthy activity. Fresh posts are the life of the board, while interaction is it's vitality.
I see no problem with rewarding players for OOC posts as well as IC posts.

With that said, are you sure a full gold overhaul of this is required?
There are a lot of good suggestions there, but I think the main thrust is actually a little bit weak.
I like the NPC services, and zone bonuses.
Services are great for that, things that add value temporarily like... how about craft without posts at triple the ingredient costs or something like that.
Hire an artisan NPC to craft for you or the like.
Luxuries that arn't required but make life easier.

Granted I'm pretty much a non-participant in the economy having neither crafted anything nor purchased anything. So please take my words with a few grains of salt.
The problems with Retooling the gold for everybody:

- It's a whole lot of work, on the part of the mods. For what I can see as pretty much zero reward.

- Everything will be re-calculated but in the end nothing will change. There is no such thing as an evening playing field, and I'm sure that even with a new system somebody who is super active like Sabre will easily outpace somebody like myself who posts maybe once a day.

- Check out real world examples of what you're describing, I don't think I've ever seen an example of the proposal working well. At the end of the day all I see this achieving is destroying faith in the currency and punishing the people who have accrued a huge amount of it.

Perhaps I don't understand your goals:

Our goal is not only to reduce the amount of gold in circulation, but also to value it at a level where low and high level characters can enjoy reasonable prices.

Is having a lot of gold in circulation a problem? Add gold sinks that players will want to pay for.
What is a 'reasonable' price?

[Haneroze]

Rook, the thing is, because of the interest per percentage, the entire economy has evolved into something where it's impossible to stick a good price for anything. It takes around 50 days to multiply by 10 your current sum, no matter how much money you have. As such, the value of each thing is different for every player, and it's mostly just about increasing the income until the item you want to buy is not worth a lot in comparison to your sum of money. And no amount of money sink will ever be able to fix this sort of income.

In order to be able to recreate a usable economy, it is necessary to remove the concept of interest and turn the income into a linear one. But because the current economy has already been broken completely, it is also necessary to change the amount of money everyone is holding. So, no, it's not zero reward, and all the changes make sense toward the goal of recreating an economy.

[Murasaki]

I mean, I've already calculated how much gold every character would get, it's just a matter of substituting the current values with those. It doesn't really take that long.

Yes, I admit that the active posters would get a higher advantage compared to those who post more slowly. However, that goes the same for many other areas such as AP. I imagine that Commerce RP threads might be a reasonable way to get yourself some money if you really need some money and are willing to generate less AP as a result. There isn't actually any faith in the current economy, and some of the most influential RPers had previously said that there was no way to fix the economy. Why buy anything now when you could've gained +4% to your total gold daily and perhaps can buy it later (if at all) with a lot more gold to spare? Lots of gold in circulation does pose its own problems as it makes it near impossible to set a price level where the newer members can afford an item while the richest members can simply breeze through and literally buy millions of the same item.

Whereas this suggestion has had decent reception from mods and members alike, it also requires a little more thought into making sure that we're prepared to push out new things for people to want to spend their gold. I do believe that given the steps we'll be taking in order to push forward a new arc with possibly one of the biggest expansions we've come up with thus far, changes to the economy should be made the sooner the better.

What would everyone also like to see in terms of rentable NPCs and their potential assets to a guild?

[Rook]

Hane, fair call taking interest out of the equation makes sense.

What I don't understand is how the amount of gold people hold causes the economy to be broken, when we arn't in a limited resource environment.

For example, if wood were a rare item and somebody with buckets of money was to buy it all up so others couldn't use any that would be a problem.

If we had an auction house where rare items were brought and sold, maybe it would be a problem but (I believe) most player made items are made on commission. There is no supply and demand at work here.

The only reason I can see to make this change to peoples gold levels is if gold was to somehow become more important than it is. (which it may well be given the political nature of the next thing.)
If that's the case, by all means. It would add an additional interesting layer to the game play.

[Rook]

Millions? Perhaps I underestimate how much the interest has generated. Ouch.

[Saber]

I have a billion gil, Rook. With the 4% interest rate, I was getting around 30 mil or 300 mil a day. I still get around 14mil with the current 1% interest rate. I'm not the only one with 1bil either, as Neun and Rien have spread the love. I pretty much just sit around and throw money around like it doesn't even matter with the current "economy", as I have the ability to not care what I buy or spend money on.

However, I will say that such thoughts will, more so than not, remain the same after the update. The reason why I say this is because I am a player who does not spend money, at all. I will perform Crafts and buy small material things, but unless I see something uber OP; I won't touch it. I have pushed a few times for an NPC shop over the course of time, but that hasn't exactly come up yet. In the shop, players would be able to buy actual items that can benefit them; materials for crafts, armors, weapons, etc. I personally, probably, won't fund city investments or pay for an event to occur because I feel like it isn't up to my bank account to make a change in the world. I'd much rather RP out the change than pay for it when I could put that money towards something else, like another crafting item.

Because of the inflated market, I've been able to give out free OP weapons to people. After this change, whatever it may be, crafting will not be so cheap. With that being said, I also do hope that several other avenues for gaining money crop up with this update, as I saw Saki mention that the bank will be no more. What that turns out to be, I have no idea, but I hope it's something other than just the 50 gold per post, because that would really suck..

[Rook]

My point is that while Sabre and others have a massive amount of gold, there's currently no way in which it harms other players. The economy isn't inflated by it because we're not in competition. It's just a big number that gives a particular individual exceptional freedom.
Stopping the interest is a positive step because frankly it sounds rather boring to have infinite money.

But I'll set that aside for now, since the work has already been done and nobody is speaking up about how this would harm them personally there's no reason to oppose fixing things up.

So on the positive suggestions for money sinks:
I think the best thing to start with would be asking the people with the most money what they would like to spend it on in private. As Sabre has stated unless it's something he feels is OP he's not even going to be tempted.

Creating a sink that affects all players equally kind of sucks for the players with low income.
Creating a sink that has to be maintained by mods is also a little suck since the system already heaps so much work on them.
With this in mind, I would recommend sinks which are consumable concepts.

For example, want to say your character is a raid guild leader? or Alliance leader how about a Raid Group item (With morale durability which decays on use) that allows you to play that out enter raid type dungeons and things with NPC's making up the majority of the parties.

How would you feel about a standing army Sabre? *Eyebrow wiggle.* Same thing. Consumable item 'Trained Militia' (With durability decay on use.) We could even incorporate a mini-game that puts the tokens to use, like monster war event or similar. Something on a stage apart from individuals adventuring.
Individuals could still enjoy the event, but the 'token' forces could allow individuals to have a much larger impact on proceedings than they could as an individual.

Or a personal vehicle like a steam ship. (Trip durability X) which could allow for the most awesome entrances ever. A vehicle like that would certainly bring acclaim to the guild that owned and maintained it.

I feel the key here is to go with concepts that allow for more personal power but not directly on the personal level like swords. Powers that don't directly compete with other individuals but open up entirely new scopes in play.

[Saber]

Just to note that I think the rental fees for personal housing shouldn't occur unless it's reasonable and doesn't force people to post huge amounts to make up for it. There's already very few things a house does for a player, unless they want another place to post things. A house is nothing but fluff and having to pay for something which does nothing I think is ludicrous. It takes a Mod probably a minute to make the board, take the gold, approve and move the thread, and then forget about it. The constant need to suck money out of a player simply because they want a personal place to sit around in doesn't exactly make me want to even get a Guild house or keep my current houses, not if they don't do anything for me.

If housing is going to be taxed, there should be a good reason for it; a buff of sorts. If there's nothing that the house does, then they're nothing but useless money pits.


Oh and Rook; if Saber can do what an Army can by himself, then there's no reason for him to get the item. I'm personally very picky about things and do everything I can to minimize cost. If it means not buying anything in the end to increase profit, then I won't buy anything.

[Bailin]

Bit too late, but I guess I was thinking too long on a proper response. 

This is also more a confirmation of what Rook said; It would be rather pointless in starting things up again, but in short: I have about 0.1% of my bank account left... as such I am unable to make good on a promise I made in my early days. But this is personal, I am not amused (which is a euphemism to the maximum) and I actually can understand and agree with a change in the money system. 

But things have been changed and I suppose time will tell what will happen next. 

I would however like to request of the mods for a little bit more time for people to respond to a discussion, I (for a change) have been busy the past two days and as such I missed the boat to formulate a proper response. Such is life, though I personally find 2 days to discuss something that affects everyone a rather small bit... short in terms of time. 

[Haneroze]

Note: Please remove the "bank" button from cBox's top buttons.

*goes to remove mention of bank in FAQ*

[Icyferno]

Mar 3, 2015 6:58:04 GMT Bailin said:

I would however like to request of the mods for a little bit more time for people to respond to a discussion, I (for a change) have been busy the past two days and as such I missed the boat to formulate a proper response. Such is life, though I personally find 2 days to discuss something that affects everyone a rather small bit... short in terms of time.

Firstly, I agree with the above. My exams just ended recently, and are already round the corner again (Welcome to my life).

What I say (or type) now probably doesn't matter since the gold rejuvenation has been implemented, but let me just throw in a point: At the present moment, several crafting classes are already facing difficulties in getting customers. For instance, how many of the newer people are actually running around with potions? How many people order from a Brewer?

Tightening the supply of money in the economy will result in a fall in the disposable income of the average person; this person would then be more likely to do away with things that they deem "unnecessary" such as a Minor Potion of Luck or Tobin's drinks. These markets would then become obsolete, not because of the availability of poor substitutes in the Shop (which doesn't even count as competition), but because people would rather spend it on something else, such as saving for a guild house, for instance.

I have already noted the reduced prices for both subclasses (and Chef), but as mentioned earlier, people don't need these items like they need shiny new weapons and armor (which they theorectically also don't need if they ignore realism). Thus, my question is, apart from lowered crafting prices, do the mods have any further plans to boost the less popular markets?

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Now that the point has been made, let me throw in a suggestion: Provide small incentives to research items. Unlike the real world, we can't patent things here, so a little bonus would be nice.

[Jace]

Uh, you said the gold given in this account is 1200. Why did I only find 1000 gold in here?

[Murasaki]

Mar 3, 2015 12:35:38 GMT Icyferno said:

I have already noted the reduced prices for both subclasses (and Chef), but as mentioned earlier, people don't need these items like they need shiny new weapons and armor (which they theorectically also don't need if they ignore realism). Thus, my question is, apart from lowered crafting prices, do the mods have any further plans to boost the less popular markets?

Here's a sample of something to be added pretty soon that is one of our approaches to the subject.

Client: Lander Father "Pops"
Request: "My boy has a birthday party coming up this week and he loves soda and sweets! I'll pay __ Gold for Soda crafted and traded to me. I don't know if it's true or not, but I hear that Speed Crafted Soda is less healthy, so I'll only pay for up to 5 Sodas speed crafted per person. Otherwise I'll buy as many hand-crafted Sodas you can give to me."

Client: Elite Food Critic "Sir Loin"
Request: "I'm looking for concise and delicious food. Craft a main course entree for me with a maximum of 100 characters in its item description. I'll pay your Material Fee in full and you'll receive a special tool to help your cooking. Speed crafted food is welcome but I expect it to be perfect."